Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Oblivion hasn't done anything himself aside from Quasar, and in Quasar, he stalemated. the Elder gods should be top of their tier. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as powerful as he is, is STILL bound by dimensionality. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. The Beyonder himself has been described as infinite-dimensional in a far more reliable and explicit narration, and been referred to as only possessing power. Follow 41314. 5: (Pre-Retcon Only) Molecule Man (Owen Reece) Tier 2: The Living Tribunal; Tier 2. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. Origin: Marvel Comics. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. ;. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤 Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. Interesting. " Do not attempt to upgrade the pre-retcon Beyonder to 1-A, due to two instances in which the Beyond-Realm was described as being beyond time and space of the universe or multiverse. Name: Lucifer Morningstar Origin: DC Comics Classification: Angel Gender: Male Age: 10,000,000,000+ Years old Strength Lifting: Speed: Nigh-Omnipresence Striking Speed: Striking Strength: Durability: Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscience Range: Multiverse+ Level Destructive capacity. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Nice. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. the Source blinks Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Also Beyonder obviously isn't mightier than TOAA virtue of TOAA literally being his author. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Using the Pre-Retcon Beyonder here is just severe overkill. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. ago. -. If someone can actually name a more. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. SirMethos. ago. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. He wins. perpetua slams but shinra one taps both because he’s tier -1 and transcends all. Pre Retcon Beyonder is multiversal while Homelander is low A tier. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Cosmic Elvis. Possibly so, but if he was talking about. Creation. 14 years ago. Join this channel to get access to perks:…R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. Forum Posts. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War but you can apply that to any evil character with vagueish powers, like Cyttorak or whatever. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. True form DS power is unknown. Example: If a character is in the upper range of a tier such as Solar System level, said character will be listed as "Solar System level+", not "High Solar System level". Lucifer Morningstar at his strongest is Oblivion-tier. I'm not taking sides. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. 3 years ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. . Jan 22, 2017. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. Prepare for. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Name: The Living Tribunal Origin. It's simple. COIE Anti Monitor. In terms of straight up feats CAS Lucifer and Mandrakk all technically show better feats then Perpetua. 14. Strength. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Forum Posts. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted. . Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. Continental. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. I really can't be asked to go. The One Above All; Beyonder (Pre Retcon). That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. In one of those layers of nonexistence, the one who would soon be known (in one incarnation) as SCP-343 comes into being. RealityWarper. TOAAPRESENCE1. I am still wondering, the summary clearly says Racher Summers could beat the Beyonder if she absorbed all life force. 7. Here, let me pull a Beyonder feat out of my ass: With mere thoughts, the Beyonder subjects the entirety of Earth and all of its' inhabitants (down to the very microbes) to his rule, causing the most powerful leaders to bow to him instantly. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. There is no way to square all of. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. What Makes marvel only H1B while DC is Layers into Tier 0? Does DC truly scale higher than Marvel, is it the other way around or are they practically equal?. TF Pennywise should actually be a tier below Beyonder. 1. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. They’re 50 tonners at most. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. 2 years ago. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far above the Living Tribunal. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Scan 1 and Scan 2. I feel like Pre-Retcon Beyonder can do practically anything unless someone "more omnipotent" negates his power in some way. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. The Beyonder erases Death itself from the Multiverse, the Living Tribunal and his delegation politely beg the Beyonder to bring back Death to the Multiverse. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was nothing compared to. Basically, I am perfectly fine with rating pre-retcon Beyonder as likely 1-A, as Oblivion had already been established at the time, but if Marvel establishes a new character that. Hi all😅 i want upgrade beyonder profile :) Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Sep 20, 2018. Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2, 2019; Tags aka beyonder (pre-retcon) marvel comics the elder scrolls 1; 2; Next. 1,102. Doom did. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. BeyonderGod's Beyonder is Omnipotent. ^2 + DUR^1. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. Powers and Stats. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. His Abilites consist of Powers and. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. • Pre-Retcon Beyonder • Pre-Retcon Molecule Man-----Multiversal • The Living Tribunal • Gabriel • Beyonder • Molecule Man. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. 1. . Tier 0/0 > Tier A. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. P. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. Follow 41274. And this character is an entire cardinal infinite tier below. Classification: Cosmic Entity. New comments cannot be posted. This thread is archived. Alovenus is the strongest in fiction since Alovenus>Omnipotent beings. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. 7 K than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. ^2 + DUR^1. . Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. 0. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. 1. 664*10^25. . • 1 year ago. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. It’s not. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Superhuman. Shigaraki(My Hero Academia) fights an army of street tier DC and Marvel heroes. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. 6,016 2,373. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Location. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. Doom absorbed the power of Galactus to unlock more of MM's power and MM eventually needed everyone's help (especially Silver Surfer) to defeat the Beyonder. ago. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. @mr-yes: Yeah I don't see how this makes him stronger than this Beyonder, who tangibly bypassed all of Marvel cosmology (even the parts supposedly "beyond" it) and did his Pre-Retcon feats as a. 5. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Morals off. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Attack Potency= Atleast Universal+ (killed countless cosmic beings from countless realities) | Atleast Hyperversal (3 of them was enough to kill The Living Tribunal and their battle with him raged across all realities at the same time) | High Hyperversal (The Beyonder from the secret wars (that would mean that the version of. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. bonus: lỊch sỬ cÁc lẦn retcon cỦa beyonder – kẺ sỞ hỮu nhỮng feat bÁ ĐẠo nhẤt lỊch sỬ marvel comic. @higherpower: I'd be delighted if you can name more than five people who can "blink" a Pre-Retcon Beyonder level character "out of existence. Post-retcon isn’t anywhere near as powerful as Classic (Pre), but he’s still pretty powerful. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. He beat the Living Tribunal. 66. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. Beyonder 39%. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The Hand - Marked the beginning of creation. The power possessed by the Beyonders seems to dwarf all other beings in existence, with the exception of the One-Above-All, as the Beyonders were able to defeat and subsequently destroy every incarnation of every cosmic being that ruled over existence within a matter of months. -Everything in bleach. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. He could possibly neutralise Doc and Sun with science alone but the others are true top-end with actual god tier powers. Business, Economics, and Finance. I'm talking only about marvel and not including DC. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Nothing beats Pre-Retcon Beyonder! Pre-Retcon Beyonder was THE Supreme Being of Marvel! The TOAA before TOAA existed! He was basically God! God Emperor Doom (The Secret Wars 2015 version) would. Well technically Dr. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. No, he is likely Presence level. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. So, I looked at The Beyonder's(Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely,. -All the fundamental force of the multiverse (including Oblivion, Living Tribunal, Death, Eternity) kneeling in font of Stranger when he sought to use the power of the Phoenix Force to recreate 'all that is' and make himself 'all powerful'. R2: God stomps. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. Locked post. 9 K Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his. Beyonder. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. 26,333. @majinmike: Because Beyonder is considered nigh omnipotence , even we assume they can adapt his power, they can still get '' unmade'' ,because they are not even high tier cosmic beings. -. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. He beat the Living Tribunal. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. #31. bigbran. Mephisto saying the same power from Beyonder himself collected had potential to actually defeat Beyonder. Yes. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. MayGodSmiteThee • 2 yr. - Neither. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as powerful as he is, is STILL bound by dimensionality. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. . Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. which is. And the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. 4 12 12 comments Best Top New Controversial Q&A CynicalWeeaboo • 7 yr. 1 Answer. The realm is known as the Engine Room, The Wild Spaces Beyond Reality, Heaven, The Mystery, The. S. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. You know that. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itHe unretconned himself and became Omega Beyonder, being just as powerful—potentially even more stronger then his Pre-Retcon version form/version that he used to be. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. First Tier Mages vs Molecule Ma Round 1: The Mages are sane and aren't Marauders. The Beyonder deafeated Doom-avec-Galactus' power and dissected him. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. 5 years ago. Apr 2014. Ima go with byonder. 4 years ago. I am allowing characters who only appeared once and characters that aren't part of the main Canon. So with that highballed literalized reasoning that Beyonder is an Ocean to Marvel's Existence and Multiverse and Gods like a droplet, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is at least, more than One hundred and. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Follow 1963. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. S. Pre-retcon Beyonder, ect. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. Lucifer and Michael together are omnipotent. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Both are vastly above. Rules: All tier zero characters from marvel are removed. and nothing comes up. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Phoenix isn't above Pre-Retcon Beyonder, Beyonder was merely overwhelmed by the knowledge that each individual has their own life and began to understand why he should care. @jashro44. he has base stats of high island ap and dura with near sol speed and ftl combat speed. Origin: Marvel Comics. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder was being overwhelmed by The Phoenix Force. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. Literally any one of the hundred omnipotent beings in Marvel could. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Jan 22, 2018; Thread starter #2 bump . Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. CynicalWeeb's Demonbane is Lucifer level. 0. Pre-Retcon. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Now after the retcon the Living Tribunal, and by extension Michael and Lucifer are above the Beyonder. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. #28 ovy7. Tier= Universal+ | Creation. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). Post retcon would be a closer fight. Who can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7. Dude’s absolutely broken. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. . 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. Even if you want to argue that Beyonder is stronger, it doesn't matter, since Death has already feats of claiming infinite-dimensional entities, that are even. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. Doom pressed a button which stole all the Beyonder's power. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. One Punch Man gets one punched by Beyonder and the shock wave from the punch kills Squirrel Girl as well. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Creaturemaster971. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. #20. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. 0. Follow 3209. CryptoA registered-source only wiki that is built upon stolen concepts (They stole from a Russian Wiki called Anime-Fight Club which just like Vsbattles Wiki is biased against comics) and known for stealing loads of information from Outskirts Battle Dome and Google+ (from my friends) and trying to pass it as if they know the information themselves until. Bonus round : pre retcon beyonder vs Rimuru. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. The Watchers. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. High 3-A. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. I have him at Multiversal.